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I enjoy it whenever anyone who brings these topics up, and I can end up being that annoying dog, Mr. Peabody, sometimes and using a task that I rarely use in a discussion purpose. Please do not be discouraged by what I have to say.
 
I don't know what you mean about the UN supporting Israeli attacks against Palestinians. (or did you mean the US?)
In fact, these past two weeks, the UN have come down (not really hard) on Israel for firing a missile into a relief center located at a UN run school in Gaza. I believe Ban Ki Moon, the current Secretary-General, was even quoted as saying that the attack was "outrageous."

Now, if we're talking about the U.S., we have neither supported nor criticized our Israeli allies on this matter because it is a sensitive subject in the U.S. We were extremely supportive of the 1917 Balfour Declaration which established a Jewish state in Palestine. The short history lesson is that the Brits weren't too happy with that idea because they wanted to maintain their oil interests with the Arabs and were against it at the outset. However, after a lot of political finagling, President Truman made it official and the U.S. recognized Israel as its own state (without a system of controlling settlement in the region by abroad Jews).

The matter is sensitive in the U.S., because we are a country of divided opinions. The Jewish community has strong ties with the U.S. government, and we consider Israel one of our few long-standing allies in the middle east. That being said, the country as a whole (not the government) recognizes and is aware that the Israel-Gaza conflict is extremely one sided. Even Jon Stewart pointed this out (and ended up getting a lot of hate from fellow Jews). I don't know, I have a lot of Jewish friends and it's a sore subject so I try not to bring it up, especially since I have little to no stake in it. To that extent, our government officials have been just as reluctant to take a side (which can be construed as tacit approval). If you watch a few of the media clips of politicians being asked, they make that "oh boy" sound when your mom catches you touching yourself for the first time.

Very well said Jorge I am more informed now than I ever was watching the channel 11 news.. what I hear from a lot of people is that this Israeli n Palestine war has been going for 2000+ years.. so this shouldn't be of a surprise.. It's even mentioned in the bible right?
 
Very well said Jorge I am more informed now than I ever was watching the channel 11 news.. what I hear from a lot of people is that this Israeli n Palestine war has been going for 2000+ years.. so this shouldn't be of of a surprise.. It's even mentioned in the bible right?
Well, Israel and Palestine haven't been at war for 2000+ years.

If the Bible is to be believed from a historical aspects (and there is a significant lack of facts to support the time line of events portrayed in the Bible), the Israelites left bondage from Egypt some time during the reign of Pharaoh Rameses II (sp?), and trekked forty years to the land of New Canaan, which if you go back even further, was already settled previously by an existing Israelite population. The historical context from the Bible would suggest that the region that is settled by the Israelites was inhabited by a group of people called Canaanites (named after the land Canaan which is the region in question). My understanding is that Canaanites consisted of anyone living in the region other than the Israelites (which may include some Arabs, Greeks, Assyrians, maybe some Babylonians).

After some odd years (because I don't know the numbers) we are at roughly 264 BC, which is really when historical data about the region is well documented by the conquering Romans. The region which Israel (as well as Lebanon, Jordan, Syria) currently sits was once called Judea-Palaestina by the Romans. Skipping forward to 0 AD (aka when Jesus was born under the Catholic/Christian Calendar), the region is considered to be a relative autonomous zone that has simply been conquered by the Romans (kind of like Hong Kong or Macau is these days). For the roughly 300 years, Rome had saw fit to install a local King to manage Judaea-Palaestina. While the region was not particularly fruitful for resources, it sat on a very important piece of strategic coastal real estate.

After the death of Jesus Christ, much of Judaea had not changed, although the Roman Empire sure did. There is a lot of history that is not particularly relevant to Israel-Palestine. Important events would include: The Fall of the Roman Empire; Rise of Christianity; the Crusaders; the Rise of the Ottoman Empire; etc. Oddly enough, in 1799, Napoleon had reached the shores of Palestine and invited Jews to move there. That didn't last very long.

So the question then becomes where did Palestine come from, when did it appear?

Modern Palestinians are Arab Muslim (though there are probably some Christian or Jew, but very few). They are thought to be descendants of the Christians, Jews and "Canaanites" who lived in the region. However, there is a timing issue in scholarly debate as to what sparked the rise of the Palestinian "state." I don't know anything about that so I won't address it. However, it would have been considered "Palestine" and no longer "Judaea-Palaestine" during the reign of the region by the Ottoman Empire (an empire composing of Turks, not Arabs). Ottoman reign of the region was similar to that of the Romans, mostly independent, but owing taxes to the Ottoman Turks in Istanbul/Constantinope (yes sing the song). Then the Ottoman Empire falls apart after WW I.

Following the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, the British took over control of the region, although they did not colonize it. Instead, they carved out (rather arbitrarily as the Brits did back in the days) the state that is now known as Palestine. When the League of Nations (precursor to the United Nations) convened, they had decided that Palestine needed to be managed and administered. Jews were granted "Palestinian" citizenship if they wanted to emigrate to the region. This was called the British Mandate of Palestine (or something like that). Early on Palestinian Arabs didn't really object to emigration to Palestine, at least not until larger numbers began moving to the region. Tensions rose when the Balfour Declaration of 1917 (a letter between then British Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour and Baron Rothschild, a leader of the British Jewish community) was incorporated into the administration of Palestine, which aimed to establish a permanent home for Jews in the Palestine region. Riots took place in the 20s, and objection to this state continued until WW II interrupted the social tensions.

The end of the WW II did not calm down Jewish-Arab tensions in the region, especially since many Jews were illegally emigrating to Palestine. The British didn't have much strength to enforce its administration of the region since its military had been relatively crippled during WW II. Riots, and a war broke out between 1946-1948.

Following the end of the British Mandate in 1948, the Jewish community living in Palestine declared the establishment of the Jewish State. The US and the USSR gave official recognition to the declaration of the State of Israel a few days later. The 1948 Arab-Israeli war was the first official war Israel had undergone with the Arabs of the region. This conflict continues to this day.

Thus, if we look at history, in reality, there has only been conflict between Israelis and the Palestinians only in the last 100-200 years. Palestine was only a region organized by the Romans as Judaea-Palaestina. Judea being the former Israelite nation set up some time before the birth of Christ (David, Solomon, etc.).

Please don't quote me on too much of this, and my time lines may be jumbled as I recalling half of this from memory. I would consult a real historian if you want to know about the origins of conflict in the region.
 
This is really good stuff right here.. afer all ive read I made my conclusion about the war in israel.. the jews are making war crimes against the palestines. i feel bad for them. no one deserves to loose their children over territory and underground tunnels..
 
no comment because of political charge... I have some friends in Israel fighting on contract so I just hope they come home... I am not a legal scholar but some of those things are scarey
 
Everything Jorge said is so intriguing. ive highlighted a couple of things i read and well i researched myself and wow man.. all this information to take.. This all gets pretty deep man.. it is a little intimidating when you do think about the power the UN has over the world.
 
The UN only has as much power as the security council does (Russia, China, Great Britain, USA, France) + 10 non-permanent ones who have literally no power.
 
tl;dr - conflict in that region is regular; a Jewish state existed there for some time, then it got conquered, twice (and disassembled); then some English people stuck their noses in it, and now everyone is all mad.
 
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